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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 17:52    Post subject:  Issues which leads to a reboot  

Hi,

Since a while, probably since I've changed my components, I've got a problem. Indeed, whatever the game, after a while (from 10 to 20 minutes usually) my screen begins all black, the song still working (Windows Media Player still working) then either it reboots, or I have to reboot by reset.

My computer seems to be stable, trusting OCCT.

● CPU: AMD Athlon X2 4200+
● RAM: 1 Gb Crucial
● Motherboard: AsRock AM2VN3-VSTA
● VCard: ATI HIS X1650
● HDD: Western Digital Caviar 300 Gb

It doesn't come from power supply (an Heden 480W) neither from the screen.
About the temperature, 50°c CPU and 40°c motherboard, so I guess it isn't the problem.
I'm using Catalyst 7.11 (the lastest, downloaded yesterday).

I hope at least one of you will be able to helps me, thanks guys.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 18:31    Post subject:  

And GPU Temp? Did you overclocked anything?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 18:36    Post subject:  

maeggs wrote:
And GPU Temp? Did you overclocked anything?

I haven't overclocked anything, I don't know the GPU temp (Everset Ultimate neither Catalyst don't say it)
To be honnest, I don't think it is about temperatures, I have a three fans (25cm; 12cm; 12cm) on the box, I use the AMD fan for the CPU and the Graphic Card has his own fan like on the pic :

http://www.prixbas.ch/images/X1600%20256Mb%20AGP.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 19:03    Post subject:  

try to reattach everything, RAM, GPU, etc
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 19:20    Post subject:  

DrBreen wrote:
try to reattach everything, RAM, GPU, etc

I've did it just a while ago. Same, crash then reboot.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 20:06    Post subject:  

Did you put any paste on top of the cpu and fan like Artic Silver?

It seems strange that you have no program to monitor you cpu temp. Also the last ati card that i had game with a program that monitored the fan speed/heat.

Any help!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 20:15    Post subject:  

Sniperborg wrote:
Did you put any paste on top of the cpu and fan like Artic Silver?

It seems strange that you have no program to monitor you cpu temp. Also the last ati card that i had game with a program that monitored the fan speed/heat.

Any help!

The CPU is monitored, and there is no problem with the temperature. It is the GPU which isn't monitored, but I use this Vcard for one year. Those are only my CPU + Mobo + DDR which are new.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 21:05    Post subject:  

cheaper video cards have no temperature sensor or its deactivated.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 21:47    Post subject:  

Maybe something with your ram is wrong. Check the timings in your bios and the bandwith and post them here and tell us if its one stick or 2 and in what slots you plugged them in.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 22:03    Post subject:  

maeggs wrote:
Maybe something with your ram is wrong. Check the timings in your bios and the bandwith and post them here and tell us if its one stick or 2 and in what slots you plugged them in.

I have two sticks, dual channel, DDR2, plugged in the good slot :

2 x 512 Mb DDR2, each one at 333Mhz (because of the dual channel, they are supposed to run at 667Mhz) and timing is 5-5-5-15
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 23:08    Post subject:  

You could try using "speedfan" to get a temperature reading on your GPU.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 23:13    Post subject:  

Ghostdog82 wrote:
You could try using "speedfan" to get a temperature reading on your GPU.


yeah im backing this one, my ATI had endless problems until it finally fizzed and went pop.

Try an old pci graphics card if u have one and test it out for a few days.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 23:36    Post subject:  

Ghostdog82 wrote:
You could try using "speedfan" to get a temperature reading on your GPU.

It gives (in °c) :

System : 37
CPU : 44
AUX : 41
HD0 : 33
Core : 23

I don't know which one corresponds to the Vcard.

Sadist wrote:
Try an old pci graphics card if u have one and test it out for a few days.

Unfortunately I don't have any other graphic card that I could use.
By the way, I still use AGP 8x

This won't be easy Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 14:02    Post subject:  

like I already said, there is no temperature sensor or it is deactivated. you could try every program, without the hardware its not going to work.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 19:19    Post subject:  

And I'm 90% sure that my problem isn't about temperature. Could it be something with USB peripherics, like a remote ?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 21:52    Post subject:  

does it happen on all games or just hl2dm?

have you tried running a stress test? or benchmark test that lasts 30 min to see if the error happens

also .. I think there is a program called MEMtest to test ram ... it's an iso file so you have to burn it to cd and then it tests to see if your ram is shit or not.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 22:23    Post subject:  

MeekMeekle wrote:
does it happen on all games or just hl2dm?

have you tried running a stress test? or benchmark test that lasts 30 min to see if the error happens

also .. I think there is a program called MEMtest to test ram ... it's an iso file so you have to burn it to cd and then it tests to see if your ram is shit or not.

It happens in every games, a bit less since today.
Well, I have tested my computer with OCCT, 30 minutes at 100%, and nothing wrong, it says that it is stable.
Then I've tried 3D Mark, no crash. I already have MEMtest on a CD, I will test it this night, we will see..

Thank you for helping.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 23:30    Post subject:  

my old x850xt was giving me a similar problem, when there was too much stress on the card the screen would go black and I would have to restart. the card was simply broken. the bad thing is that HIS didnīt agree (they reparied the card once, then it was fine for a few days until it broke again, then the second time I send it in they rejected the card) and so I have a useless card now that can only run 2d and crashes after 10minutes or so of 3d. however it could still run 3dmark05 over night over and over for some reason when the shop I had bought it from tested it. it was definitely the gpu that was the problem because changing to a x700pro solved it. its not the drivers either, reinstalling the card didnīt change anything. the temperatures where ok too.

so if you can, try another gpu (power usage shouldnt be much different at best). if the problem still occours its something else. if not then send the card to HIS and pray.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 18:33    Post subject:  

I've tested the RAM for 8 hours, nothing wrong.

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my old x850xt was giving me a similar problem, when there was too much stress on the card the screen would go black and I would have to restart. the card was simply broken. the bad thing is that HIS didnīt agree (they reparied the card once, then it was fine for a few days until it broke again, then the second time I send it in they rejected the card) and so I have a useless card now that can only run 2d and crashes after 10minutes or so of 3d. however it could still run 3dmark05 over night over and over for some reason when the shop I had bought it from tested it. it was definitely the gpu that was the problem because changing to a x700pro solved it. its not the drivers either, reinstalling the card didnīt change anything. the temperatures where ok too.

so if you can, try another gpu (power usage shouldnt be much different at best). if the problem still occours its something else. if not then send the card to HIS and pray.


Well, it seems like it is the problem. I would have wish for something else, but it's like it is.. I will try to find another GPU, thanks for your answer.
If I have bought my Vcard on Internet, should I send the card to the seller or to HIS ? And what about the time they needed to send you back your card ?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 19:01    Post subject:  

send it directly to HIS (if you find out it is the problem after trying a different gpu). sending it to the shop you bought it at only makes the waiting time longer and there can be complications. for example my old be quiet p5 520w power supply that broke was screwed up somehow by the shop I bought it at, they only gave me a check of 29€ instead of a new one which is pretty much not enough to buy one of similar quality. when I asked be quiet they told me I should have sent it by myself and its my own fault.

the waiting time is usually a month (4-6 weeks is the general saying)

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 19:46    Post subject:  

I have just played with Kc | nade maeggs for one hour, and no crash. Sounds like my card doesn't want to go back in a boat to HIS headquarter.

I will see if it occures this evening. If it does, I will seek an old AGP card.
I just hope that I won't have to wait one month..
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 19:53    Post subject:  

nex7one wrote:
I have just played with Kc | nade maeggs for one hour, and no crash. Sounds like my card doesn't want to go back in a boat to HIS headquarter.

I will see if it occures this evening. If it does, I will seek an old AGP card.
I just hope that I won't have to wait one month..

I recomend just Updateing From AGP to PCI,cuz a good AGP card is rare nowdays(Well,atleast as i know it) and as i heard,AGP arent selling out these days and most of the new cards are On PCI Razz

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 20:21    Post subject:  

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nex7one wrote:
I have just played with Kc | nade maeggs for one hour, and no crash. Sounds like my card doesn't want to go back in a boat to HIS headquarter.

I will see if it occures this evening. If it does, I will seek an old AGP card.
I just hope that I won't have to wait one month..

I recomend just Updateing From AGP to PCI,cuz a good AGP card is rare nowdays(Well,atleast as i know it) and as i heard,AGP arent selling out these days and most of the new cards are On PCI Razz

Well, if I was rich, why not. It isn't the case, so I will use AGP until my computer burns.
Thanks for the proposition mate.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 20:25    Post subject:  

My family isnt rich aswell...... BUT with a little time Puting some money In a jar Got us PCI Pc's Wink
try to Save Money or Something like that,Work or put Million dollars in the Bank and one year later Get your 4,6% out of it xD (Yeah......)
hope you will fix your Stuff dude! Very Happy

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Freelancer wrote:
My family isnt rich aswell...... BUT with a little time Puting some money In a jar Got us PCI Pc's Wink
try to Save Money or Something like that,Work or put Million dollars in the Bank and one year later Get your 4,6% out of it xD (Yeah......)
hope you will fix your Stuff dude! Very Happy

I will work in Switzerland this summer, so I should have a new computer at this moment. Thanks for you support.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 21:53    Post subject:  

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nex7one wrote:
I have just played with Kc | nade maeggs for one hour, and no crash. Sounds like my card doesn't want to go back in a boat to HIS headquarter.

I will see if it occures this evening. If it does, I will seek an old AGP card.
I just hope that I won't have to wait one month..

I recomend just Updateing From AGP to PCI,cuz a good AGP card is rare nowdays(Well,atleast as i know it) and as i heard,AGP arent selling out these days and most of the new cards are On PCI Razz


the best AGP card out there is almost as good as a 7950GT, its called X1950 something? if im not mistaken. theres also the HD2600 series, very good also.

and the old 7600GT from nvidia
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 22:47    Post subject:  

DrBreen wrote:
Freelancer wrote:
nex7one wrote:
I have just played with Kc | nade maeggs for one hour, and no crash. Sounds like my card doesn't want to go back in a boat to HIS headquarter.

I will see if it occures this evening. If it does, I will seek an old AGP card.
I just hope that I won't have to wait one month..

I recomend just Updateing From AGP to PCI,cuz a good AGP card is rare nowdays(Well,atleast as i know it) and as i heard,AGP arent selling out these days and most of the new cards are On PCI Razz


the best AGP card out there is almost as good as a 7950GT, its called X1950 something? if im not mistaken. theres also the HD2600 series, very good also.

and the old 7600GT from nvidia

Yes, but after only 11 month using my actual graphic card.. If I have to replace it, I will follow your advices, thanks.

I've just played one hour on full TSGK Server I, where the Vcard was very stressed, then I've crashed alone on server II, so it doesn't come from the GPU usage.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 00:10    Post subject:  

umm,mmm...Breen I run nVidia 7600GT lol..and its PCI O_o
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 03:56    Post subject:  

you can even get the nvidia 7800gs for agp free. Not new tho but ebay is nextīs best friend atm ^^
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 19:52    Post subject:  

I think I'm going to buy a X1950 512Mb for christmas. I hope it's the best for AGP.

I hope it does come from the Vcard, otherwise I'm screwed.
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