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Do you want Suit recharge points?
Yes - I can't live without 'em!
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No - I think they are the work of Satan
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 18:22    Post subject:  Suit recharge points
Subject description: Do we really need them?
 

Personally I could do without them.

What do you think?

Are they are life saver, or are they abused?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 18:58    Post subject:  

Hmmm. Good question.

I don't like them (a lot of suit charging addicts out there) but I always thought they were there to lure people into a vulnerable position.

Soooo. Maybe I do like them.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 20:31    Post subject:  

Watch ur step while recharging at one of gta's creations Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 21:03    Post subject:  

you know what I always thought would work the best?

Imagine the exact same suit charger at the top of v8 .. it charges at the same speed as it does now BUT here's the catch!! it only gives HEALTH.. no armor!

what do you think of that?!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 21:03    Post subject:  

I think as long as a map has well placed health and pickups then they are not needed. I only use them if im already close to it and low on health. Otherwise i go for the health packs, coz they usually come with good weapons and a cluster of ppl to take out on the way.
However i like the little ones just to run past and pick up 5 armour so that i can survive a xbow shot Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 22:54    Post subject:  

Confession: I seem to remember abusing them sometimes in my younger days X(
Of course now I know better. I just pick up ~30 suit armour to gain a slight edge and like Fyck said, to survive a crossbow bolt.

IMO they leave the user very vulnerable (practically facing a wall etc) so the risk is a trade off for the health/armour recharge. Use them at your own peril! A flying propellor blade is never too far away! Razz
So in that sense I guess they can both save and end lives...

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:36    Post subject:  

In my opinion, they are there to be used.. so why not use them?

If a server isnt full i will usually charge up to maximum (espicially helpfull in lockdown). Fully-charged it is almost impossible to die when going against someone, no-matter how good they are.

I dont abuse them.. On a packed server i will usually only charge to 30 - 50 power, just enough to go longer in fights.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 13:54    Post subject:  

The main abusers that i have seen are usually the better players, i won't name names but you know who they are Evil or Very Mad

Topping up health is good, but the suit chargers give one player an advantage and when this is one of the best players........

Get rid of em, NOW

The little cubes are ok though

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 14:24    Post subject:  

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Get rid of em, NOW


Why? If players abuse them then surly its the same as killing campers. You know where they will be so you should be able to dispose of them easily enough. Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 14:41    Post subject:  

Thats true sarge but TSGK has removed the rpg cause it made one player have an unfair advantage, same should happen with the suit cahrger.

Why should any one player have a major advantage, what's the point of this?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 15:39    Post subject:  

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Thats true sarge but TSGK has removed the rpg cause it made one player have an unfair advantage


I don't think that's true. They were removed because they ruin the gameplay.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 15:56    Post subject:  

Sniperborg wrote:
Why should any one player have a major advantage, what's the point of this?


Two points,

1. Why is it in the game but not to charge up on?

2. If you dont want the players to have the advantage, stop them and claim it for yourself if you wish. If you think its an unfair advantage then dont use them, just stop others.

Dont get me wrong, I never abuse the chargers myself, dont think that i do. Im just not understanding the point of this topic. Its similar to the smg issue, i use it when i have no other option. I would rather this than get killed (but i understand why some others would not). The suit chargers are their to be used. All fps's that i know of have some sort of armor where it helps you last longer in battle. Not using suit chargers is (in my opinion) very stupid.

Again, another opinion related post from sargE Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 18:18    Post subject:  

The suit charge is a carry over from the single player game of HL2, it is mainly put before hazard area's where it would be near imposible to complete.

Not all games carry every thing over from there single player games to death match so as to balance the game for every player.



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2. If you dont want the players to have the advantage, stop them and claim it for yourself if you wish. If you think its an unfair advantage then dont use them, just stop others.


If this was 1v1 you could watch this area and it would balance against the be caught standing still charging. In a multiplayer game its not possible to cover all the areas. For instance on server 1,you spawn on the ground level and are engaged by serveral players, not to mention nades raining down, can you cover the charger and stop a person using it. Quite often the lift is in use, mean while the suit whore is up there charging up to a max and then running around with an unfair advantage.

I'm not saying your wrong Sarge, just there's two sides to every argument.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 18:33    Post subject:  

i say it should go. it makes the game way to easy. i go up there becuz i need some health but not to charge up to the max. its a waste of time. and it shows that the player im fighting against is a coward. " oh no i dont have enuf health let alone energy. and i dont wanna get hit wit a stick. hmm.im gonna go up here and charge up so i can beat him" . but i beat em with a stick neway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 19:12    Post subject:  

Diet H2O wrote:
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Thats true sarge but TSGK has removed the rpg cause it made one player have an unfair advantage


I don't think that's true. They were removed because they ruin the gameplay.


Valve puted the RPG there for a reason

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 20:15    Post subject:  

dablackdude989 wrote:
and it shows that the player im fighting against is a coward.


How exactly?

Because someone uses something that is in the game to survive longer, he is a coward? Thats like not using a weapon when your in a battle, all ammo is gone so some people will just whipp out there stick so as not to use smg. Even the strongest tsgk members would use smg in this case, as im sure most members would charge when presented with the oportunity.

Like sniperborg said, there is always two sides and 2 oppinions. In mine, it is pointless not to use something, anything that will help you to survive.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:10    Post subject:  

Just a funny idea Razz

Just put a car above the recharger and tie it to a rope. Then create a button to make the car fall down.
Now if anyone is camping or recharching, push the button Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:37    Post subject:  

Knife wrote:
Just put a car above the recharger and tie it to a rope. Then create a button to make the car fall down.
Now if anyone is camping or recharching, push the button Smile


Or somehow combine the button into the suit charger.. so instead of charging, you get a car on your head Razz

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 13:33    Post subject:  

sargE wrote:
Knife wrote:
Just put a car above the recharger and tie it to a rope. Then create a button to make the car fall down.
Now if anyone is camping or recharching, push the button Smile


Or somehow combine the button into the suit charger.. so instead of charging, you get a car on your head Razz


See sarge your coming round to my way of thinking Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 13:45    Post subject:  

Sniperborg wrote:
sargE wrote:
Knife wrote:
Just put a car above the recharger and tie it to a rope. Then create a button to make the car fall down.
Now if anyone is camping or recharching, push the button Smile


Or somehow combine the button into the suit charger.. so instead of charging, you get a car on your head Razz


See sarge your coming round to my way of thinking Laughing Laughing



lol. Not quite, it would be funny to have a car drop on my head though when im charging on a new map Razz

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 22:41    Post subject:  

Keep em allways fun to kill someone with a nade at the big recharger at killbox_tsgk_v6 Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 16:44    Post subject:  

True, I don't like it when people use them all the time, especially in stickfights they can be hugely annoying. They should stay though, as I've probabely killed 100's by firing a bolt to a charger ^^
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 18:18    Post subject:  

I don't mind occasional use of the charger, but when a person needs it to survive, using it annoys me a little bit. Learn to kill first, then when you're on a full server with other charger whores you won't be totally screwed when that little green light is off.

If you're good at killing and camp the charger...well, let's just put it this way:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 20:58    Post subject:  

A Cylon! OH NOES!!! wrote:
I don't mind occasional use of the charger, but when a person needs it to survive, using it annoys me a little bit. Learn to kill first, then when you're on a full server with other charger whores you won't be totally screwed when that little green light is off.

If you're good at killing and camp the charger...well, let's just put it this way:

./)..
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COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER Cool

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 21:09    Post subject:  

A Cylon! OH NOES!!! wrote:
I don't mind occasional use of the charger, but when a person needs it to survive, using it annoys me a little bit. Learn to kill first, then when you're on a full server with other charger whores you won't be totally screwed when that little green light is off.

If you're good at killing and camp the charger...well, let's just put it this way:

./)..
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Would you not use it to improve your own chances of killing? If you are a good player would not using the charger to make you last longer. At the end of the day, every last bit of suit power helps.

I get the feeling i aint gonna win Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 21:54    Post subject:  

sargE wrote:
A Cylon! OH NOES!!! wrote:
I don't mind occasional use of the charger, but when a person needs it to survive, using it annoys me a little bit. Learn to kill first, then when you're on a full server with other charger whores you won't be totally screwed when that little green light is off.

If you're good at killing and camp the charger...well, let's just put it this way:

./)..
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.././ ..
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..((.(. (.(.. /)..
\.. ..\/./.
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\. ..(..
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Would you not use it to improve your own chances of killing? If you are a good player would not using the charger to make you last longer. At the end of the day, every last bit of suit power helps.

I get the feeling i aint gonna win Laughing


No I agree with you, Sarge, suit does help, it has helped me on countless occassions, as I'm not so good at dm. When I'm up against people who are better than me (which is very often Razz), suit helps me last a while longer. And if you don't need the suit, well then you just have the chance to kill the person who's just standing there using it.. So it helps in both cases Smile Except for the dead guy :p
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 22:20    Post subject:  

For the newer players its a good idea, it gives them a fighting chance ( or a few more seconds with the smg Evil or Very Mad ). It just really anoyes me when i see one of the top players whoring with a full suit. Rolling Eyes
I know that theirs no honour in computer games, when you dead you just restart, but the suit charger in the single player was put in to help through difficult area, not where there's easy sections. By this i think this means newer players should have use better player ............

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I'm totally cool with folks hitting up the charger every now and again, especially when they are starting out, but when people rely on it to do well, I start getting pissed off about it.

It's kind of like a credit card, occasional use can help you build credit (ie kill), but when using it extensively, it creates a sense of false security and financial pimpitute, which is simply not there. And while the person thinks they are doing well, they are, in fact, not. If it takes you 150+ health/armor to kill me well, then, quite frankly you need to go back to the drawing board and work on your decision making and killing ability. A good player will be able to put you away in a couple of seconds. If you, yourself, can't do such a thing and rely on a charger to give you that extra time to do so, then you need to get your ass back to the drawing board and learn how to kill.

I'll admit that 50 armor can help quite a bit when trying to kill. but if you can't kill without that extra armor you really need to take a step back and look at how you are playing. Otherwise you are an incompetent prick who cannot kill and lives on the charger to get those kills for you.

For me, in an ideal world, maps would only have health pickups. If you can kill me when I have 100 health, congratulations, but my attack is merciless and I kill fast, and if you can't take it charging isn't going to help you. Learn to kill, learn to defend against the nade, and learn to be a crafty SOB, until then you can kiss my ass. If it takes you 150+hp to kill me...congratulations, but let it be known that sans that charger you would be totally fucked, and are probably fucked anyway. The charger gives you a sense of skill that is simply not there in most cases and will dissolve once that charger is used up. Learn to kill without the charger and add the charger later for a truly kick ass combo, until then, have fun. But be mindful of my nade/explosive barrel/mag combo...cause you won't live though it without 50+ armor.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 13:48    Post subject:  

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I'm totally cool with folks hitting up the charger every now and again, especially when they are starting out, but when people rely on it to do well, I start getting pissed off about it.

It's kind of like a credit card, occasional use can help you build credit (ie kill), but when using it extensively, it creates a sense of false security and financial pimpitute, which is simply not there. And while the person thinks they are doing well, they are, in fact, not. If it takes you 150+ health/armor to kill me well, then, quite frankly you need to go back to the drawing board and work on your decision making and killing ability. A good player will be able to put you away in a couple of seconds. If you, yourself, can't do such a thing and rely on a charger to give you that extra time to do so, then you need to get your ass back to the drawing board and learn how to kill.

I'll admit that 50 armor can help quite a bit when trying to kill. but if you can't kill without that extra armor you really need to take a step back and look at how you are playing. Otherwise you are an incompetent prick who cannot kill and lives on the charger to get those kills for you.

For me, in an ideal world, maps would only have health pickups. If you can kill me when I have 100 health, congratulations, but my attack is merciless and I kill fast, and if you can't take it charging isn't going to help you. Learn to kill, learn to defend against the nade, and learn to be a crafty SOB, until then you can kiss my ass. If it takes you 150+hp to kill me...congratulations, but let it be known that sans that charger you would be totally fucked, and are probably fucked anyway. The charger gives you a sense of skill that is simply not there in most cases and will dissolve once that charger is used up. Learn to kill without the charger and add the charger later for a truly kick ass combo, until then, have fun. But be mindful of my nade/explosive barrel/mag combo...cause you won't live though it without 50+ armor.


Dont get me wrong. I dont need 150 armor to kill you. With 150 armor i can kill you easily and still carry on to kill an extra 2/3 players. I am not "starting out", infact i never knew how handy the charger was untill i joined my first clan,, only then did i realise how valuable suit power could be.

Your viewing a suit charger as a credit card makes no sense to me. Using a suit charger increases how strong you are as a player, not gives you credit Confused

I think everyone has gotten the wrong idea. I dont camp the suit charger on v8 or on any map. I use it when im there and i use it because it improves my level of play. Without it i could proberly kill 3+ players (depending on server size and skill of other players), with it, Proberly 10+. Dont charger to 150-200 straight away. Charging to 50-70 means you will survive and you can go back when you are running low on hp and charge up to another 50-70.

Frankly, i can kill without the charger and i can kill even better with it. People who consider using the charger as "noobish" are stupid in my mind. How many people would not use smg to survive? Quite alot of you im certain. You dont because you consider that noobish or whatever. The suit charger is the same thing.. You saying that I or anyone else cannot kill without the charger is a bad attitude in my mind and you seem like one of many players i know with a similar attitude (thou i could be wrong) Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 14:55    Post subject:  

My original post got borked by a firefox refresh =(, so I'll sum it up real quick.

For the credit card analogy, credit cards give you false income (I.E health, armor) that responsible people pay back in a reasonable amount of time. That's totally cool, but a ton of other folks continue using their false income to get the shit that they want in life. Without paying it back and racking up a shit load of debt. And when it comes time to face their debts, they are totally overwhelmed because they have a shit-ton of debt staring themselves in the face. If you learn to kill first, then this is not really a problem, as you are a responsible killer, but if you keep hanging onto that charger to get you the means to keep going a while longer, you are totally screwing yourself by not gaining any sense of responsibility. It's a so-so analogy, but the vast majority of analogies are thus =).

As for you sarge, I'm sure you are capable of kicking ass without the charger, but many charger whores are not...and that is who my diatribe is against. Those incompetent fucks who use the charger to inflate their idea of pimpitude while, in fact, they continue to suck a considerable amount of ass.

That being said, all the ass I kick 1v1 and otherwise is done without the help of a charger. It's done with my pure ability to kill, unaided by some bullshit suit armor (and often against a bullshit charger). I wouldn't argue with you if you said it was a weakness in my style of play to not whore the charger, but the vast majority of folks who go 100 health v. 100 with me end up on the bitch end of the stick, and plenty of those bastards who do charge end up running back hope to mamma..

I guess my overriding point is, if you are a habitual suit user and can't kill me without suit, you can go fuck yourself (sorry for the harsh language). One's ability to kill with an effective 300 health is not indicative of skill. If you need to that to kill me, you are a pussy, and will be until you learn to stop suckling on the teat of that suit charger and learn how to actually kill me in a quick and efficient manner.

If you're not one of those folks, congratulations and good game.

This wasn't a diatribe against you, sarge, but suit charger whores in general. You just seem to championing them =).
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