TSGK Clan Forum

[gristsngravy]

Ive been playing on your servers for awhile now and recently someone claiming to be an admin has been telling me that grav nading wasnt allowed on your servers and that it was spamming. He even gave me several warnings for it but i have never seen anything saying that grav nades werent allowed. I was just hoping to get a definitive answer on whether or not grav nading is allowed on tsgk servers. Thanks in advance.

[sargE]

WEIRD....

i think grav nades are alloud on servrs... it is a very good skill and i have never heard any1 complain about it (not even some of our members )

but im not tsgk so i cant say 4 sure

[Diet H2O_TSGK]

You're joking right? Grav gun, nade cooking and sticks are more than welcome. What was their name? I doubt you were talking to an admin. They don't go around telling people they're admins. Keep cooking them.

[Plasmo_TSGK]

I'd bet my left nut that it was a fella named Itchy Sack who was telling you those things. I've played a number of games with this fellow (and went out of my way to nade him ). The guy is not an admin and always complains about spamming. Just ignore him. Grav nading is encouraged here.

[gristsngravy]

yeah thats his name i couldnt remember it.

[strstr]

Yeah Itchy Sack (aka 357 Boner aka Hiya) keeps whining about nade spamming and how noob we are for using it, only to get half his kills through smg and camping from dark corners with a dark player model...

He's completely against the idea of using physics for some idea, and keeps whining over and over about it.

http://hl2mp.tsgk.com/index.php?mode=chathistory&player=184349

Just ignore the poor sod.

Speaking of which, is there a way to "ignore" a player's chat?

[Shimmy_TSGK]

if you dont like grav nade you are definitely playing the wrong game
i smell CS on that guy...they complain alot and have too many rules...

so dude,grav nade all you want... it's our bread and butter

next time you see that player,just grav nade him and enjoy the adverse reactions

strstr,if you grav nade him enough,he will type more and it will be considered as spam,so he will get more frustrated

[[FF]Glen_quAGMirE]

This guy must do a lot of talking because some of my fellow [FF]'ers have also heard that grav nading is not allowed here.
I think i smell something burning....
Oh yeah, how do I go about getting you guys to come over to our servers for a friendly scrimm?
Giggitygiggitygiggity....lets have us some deathmatch!!
talk to you later.

[Shimmy_TSGK]

talk to Osiris dude
he is to us like what the Professor X is to the X men

[Osiris_TSGK]

[Freelancer]

LOL! HE is a CSS player 100%!
Becouse he complains all the time XD
I played on a server with 10 ppl on it
and all of them were CSS players
Thay were whining more than Shimmy when he want to cook toast
(lol no harm brother ) , I wonder if pikpik were there how much
thay would whine on that server
I dont cuite remember the name but it was a blast:
PIssing off those CSS players Xd
Its like a balsam on my heart to piss off the CSS players
not that im against them but i just dont like most of them

[Shimmy_TSGK]

[The Aimer]

Sorry for the long message guys but just thought I would do a bit of a reality check here. Anyone who thinks that using the gravity gun to throw grenades is not a newbie tactic has limited experience in FFA games. The half life community seems a bit separated and uninformed from what I can tell. I can only assume it's because most of the people who play it have not spent alot of time playing other types of FFA games.

Not that you care but when I first started playing half-life I was amazed there was no "spectate" feature.(I realize there is one now) This feature is a common and popular feature in on-line FFA games. It's kinda like having cheese on your pizza. People just take for granted a game will have this feature. So when I asked people in forums why there was no spectate feature, players had no clue what I was talking about. Some even said I shouldn't be cheating anyway! Cheating? Huh? They thought spectate meant to go through walls and such. lol. So imagine a land where people call you crazy for wanting cheese on your pizza. Strange indeed. Unfortunately for me, the people in this land also think throwing pizza at people's face taste good.

So, my opinion is grounded in experience with a long line of pro types of deathmatch players and years of playing FFA games......long before HL was ever around. I've even admined servers in previous years in other games. My experience is NOT grounded in CS. I think I played that for 1 hour at a LAN party once. It was boring as hell. There is a world outside of HL fellas.

To some extent I'm just a BS'er online. Just unwinding a little and can not be taken seriously. I regularly tell people I'm the greatest player ever. I can assure you I don't believe that but it's part of my silly nature and it's hilarious to hear the responses. I don't believe I ever told anyone I was an admin. Although I might have in jest said something like "keep it up and you're out". A good lawyer could argue that has many meanings.

So in conclusion, people can play however they want, but these gravity grenade kills when used excessively are a noob tactic. People keep saying it's hard but yet for some strange reason everyone in the server is doing it. In Quakeworld only good players bunnyhopped. You never saw newer players doing it. But in HL2 there are plenty of players with sub .500 kill/death ratios slinging grenades with their gravity guns heh. Don't get me wrong, in moderation it would be a good strategic tool. But you've got people running around doing nothing but this. This abuse just ruins the game play in my opinion. Kind of like too much BFG in quake 3, if any of you ever played that. (And ironically, some of these same grenade chuckers say the same thing about the HL2 Rocket launcher which I find quite amusing)

And to str....if you check the stats(which I haven't) I'm quite sure you'll find that I don't use the smg that much. I'd be willing to bet most of my frags come from 357 pistols and bows. .... weapons that require aim and have no splash damage benefit to them. Splash damage has it's place but not as a primary weapon. And if I'm squatting in a corner it's because it's the only place where I can get a few moments relief from being the victim of some lucky newbies grenade. Now if you check Grit's stats you'd probably see smg and grenade kills galore. And then he brags because he whipped everyone 165 to 50. Lol.

No hard feelings. Carry on and have fun.

[Lawitz]

the rpg is a noob weapon, but not the grenades. they required a lot training. especially learning harder throws like in the air or against good catchers. also there is a quiet long chucking time where you could get killed. if it was all about aiming hl2 dm would be just another fps game, but its a very special game because you have the gravgun and can do things like that. explosive power is a major killing way in this game. there are also aim weapons for those who like to aim, but they have to tolerate other players styles or play another game which is mainly dedicated to aiming.

in hl2 pros do skatejumping and strafe jumping. I use strafe jumping as well but not as perfect as it could be done and skatejumping is too hard for me.

[Diet H2O_TSGK]

Well, it's possible to argue both sides.

It's a bit cheeky to moan and whine (and that's what Itchy Sak's chat history is) about nade's, spamming, camping, physics, gg etc etc. It's especially rich bearing in mind the server is a clan server who prefer nades, gg, and sticks. You don't walk into McDonald's and whine about them not having Whoppers.

Of course everyone should be equally skilled in all weapons (except smg, rpg because there is no skill needed for them). But where does itchy sak get off giving out to TSGK members and guests about their gameplay.

[strstr]

The Aimer : It's really sad that you're such an articulated person on forums but such a bastard in the game.

Like H2O said, you can't go on clan servers' whose philosophy revolve around the grav gun and start whining at every single death you get from it. Because yes, that is what you do, take a minute to look at your chat history if you don't remember. And consider consulting for a case of Tourette's syndrome if you don't.

It's come to the point where I can recognize who you are from your whining even when you use a different name. You're quite a case. I prefer all-smg players to such an attitude, by a stretch.

[Knife]

Grav+grenade rulezz

SMG sucks

[[AgC]Cannon Fodder]

[The Aimer]

[The Aimer]

Sorry for the double post guys. I hit the button on accident and couldn't delete.

Lawitz - Good post. I actually agree with much of what you're saying. I guess my point is not so much the use of these things, but the "abuse" of these things. Contrary to what is being claimed by some on here, I do NOT reply to every grenade death. I usually let it slide for a while after first entering a game. It's when I see a pattern that involves the exact same people doing nothing but running around carrying grenades and looking for someone to sling them at over and over again. Many of them blow themselves up quite often. From my background, this is newbie play. I can't help this being my opinion.

Diet H20 - Itchy sack has never whined about physics and camping. And "nades, spamming and GG" are all the same thing. So you made it look worse than it is. Also the analogy is what we call a false analogy because McDonalds spends millions of dollars advertising what they sell. I don't remember seeing any signs or commercials advertising that this clan encourages these things. Perhaps you know this because you hang out in their forum but it's probably not so well known by the average player.

While I don't really know any of the clan members, I would suggest that their view and mine is probably not so different. When you say they encourage GG and sticks I interpret that to mean that they encourage players to diversify their skills and learn to use all the tools provided by the game in order to get kills and have fun. Don't just get stuck with the smg and combine balls. It's more fun and you'lll get alot more out of the game this way. I agree with this. I don't interpret it to mean that they want all the players to run around using only one or 2 methods to kill people 100% of the time like you're insinuating. And honestly, that's what some of these maps have come to. Everyone running around slinging granades with gravity guns. If I'm off base and the admins mean what you're insuating then I stand corrected and might suggest setting the server up so that there aren't any other weapons other than nades and sticks.


strstr - If you read what I wrote than you must have read where I said that you can't take me too seriously. You're at a disadvantage if you want to diagnose me with Tourrettes from the internet because you can't put anything into context. Many of the times you think I'm whining, I'm laughing and amused. I'm seeking those that take themselves too seriously. And once I've found them....... they will recognize me from then on

[Knife]

I think this discussion is useless. Half Life deathmatch is very different game then Counter-Strike. It's more complex. There are many more ways to kill an enemy. So new players always use the smg at first. But when you start loving the game,like I do. You try to use every method possible to stay alive or to take out an enemy. SMG isn't popular to me cause it slows you down and the kills are to easy and dont require skill.

TSGK is like heaven for me. We have our own style of playing this game and yet every member still has his own style within the style off TSGK (this sentence can make no sense cause of my bad grammar, but I suggest you try to understand ) This makes this game so interesting.

If you always get killed by the grav-nade combo, you must try to find a way to avoid this to happen. You can do this by moving quick or catching the nade. Dont start complaining about it and try to find a way to kick that guys ass.

[Lawitz]

I also agree to some point with you the aimer, I also don´t think using only those weapons is a good thing. but using them the most is our tsgk style. I for example (and many other tsgk as well) use them the most but I also use any other weapon in the game except rpg, smg and slams.

[Diet H2O_TSGK]

I'm not going to print out the chat history, have a look yourself. As for false analogies, you're missing the point. You presume to tell others what TSGK prefer when you're neither in the position to do so nor even, by your own admission, have the necessary information.

And please refrain from using 'insinuating'. I don't insinuate, I suggest - there is a difference.

Look, you like to wind people up, that's fine. You like having a laugh, that's fine. But any casual look at your chat history would show that you do more than that. Sure you crack a joke or two, but you gripe and moan a hell of a lot more. Hey, I don't mind really what you do, so long as you don't suggest to anyone that TSGK think this, or TSGK think that.

As for preferring aiming weapons over wide effect and spamming - good for you. In fact I agree, so I suggest you improve your pistol use from it's current 5 and reduce your combine ball (105) and smg (466).

Regards

Diet H2O_TSGK

[Shimmy_TSGK]

FATALITY

Diet H20 Winnnnzzzzzzzz

[Guest]

[strstr]

The TSGK clan's statement is "If you don't get our physics, you'll fall by our stick" as shown at the bottom of www.tsgk.com.

Its servers' score system grants a preference for melee, grenades and physics, over all other weapons, as shown by the multipliers given to them. Here's a quick rundown :

Physics : X 14.0
Grenade : X 10.0
Stunstick/Crowbar : X 50.0

vs

Crossbow : X 9.0
Pistol : X 8.0
357 : X 6.0
Shotgun : X 3.0
Combine Rifle : X 1.0
SMG : X 0.5


As you can see, even though it is valid to view the guns as a solid style of play requiring skills, people using physics and grav nades are the most rewarded. Warning players against using them is therefore not too well-perceived by the players who hang on those servers and like the clan's philosophy. Maybe you should consider finding other servers if it hinders your experience. Otherwise, if you want to get the multipliers changed to favor the guns, feel free to make an official request to the TSGK admins. In the meantime, try to stay cool about it, even if it's just jokes; you're totally right that no one can assume anything about yourself through internet chat. They can make observations about your online persona though, and up to now, in-game, it comes out as a real asshole, even if you type while laughing.

All that being said, see you on the servers, where I will make it a point to grav nade and stick you as much as I can

[Shimmy_TSGK]

*yawn*

I am in with strstr

[Diet H2O_TSGK]

And happy Christmas too!