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deluxe · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 21:29 Post subject: Question of the week #2

Alright, this time it's rather a riddle, there is an exact answer and the one with the correct explanation gets the points Smile

I took this one out of a book, so maybe (hopefully not) some of u know the answer already...... Laughing

ok here is the story:

Imagine: We have 2 people. They are twins, and the name of one of them is John.
What we know about them: One of them never says the truth (so he's always lying lol, but it's not necessarily John who is always lying)
John commited a crime.
During the process, the judge trys to find out who of the twins John is.

The judge asked the first of the twins: "Are you John?"

"Yes I am" was the answer.

"Are you John?" Asked the judge to the second of the twins.
The answer was either Yes or No, and with this information, the judge knew who John was.
Is John the first or the second of the twins?

Of course you have a 50% chance to get the right answer, but i want an explanation Razz

have fun

sargE · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 21:36 Post subject: Re: Question of the week #2

deluxe · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 21:39 Post subject:

ok if u want to call him billy, i can only say that he is a normal human being. If he would always say the truth i would have said it Wink

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Diet H2O_TSGK · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 21:54 Post subject:

lol Rubey

Diet H2O_TSGK · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 22:08 Post subject:

deluxe · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 23:21 Post subject:

Diet H2O_TSGK · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 23:33 Post subject:

I think I understand you...

The other twin always lies. So no matter what, he would answer yes. The judge knows that. So does his brother, John. John can say yes (truth) or no (lie). He would lie (because he committed the crime) and would not say yes. So the first answerer is the brother, the second answer would be John.

Or else the answer is 3.456

sargE · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 00:13 Post subject:

I dont believe there is any way of knowing for certain!

If the first twin said yes then he could either be lying or telling the truth. The later meaning he is infact John, the former meaning he is not.
The second twins answer could also be yes or no (because we dont know who is who). If the 2nd twin answer yes, one of them must definetly be lying, but the judge cannot possibly know who on the information given since either could be lying or telling the truth.

I believe John could be either the 2st or 2nd twin. Depending on the information given from the second twin, john could still be either... Either this or i have missed something..

Diet H2O_TSGK · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 00:34 Post subject:

Well if john committed a crime, and he knows that his brother will lie (and say he's john), then why would he say yes? That way his brother might be found guilty and he can walk away.

sargE · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 00:45 Post subject:

So there is no possible way to know for definete! John might lie to get his twin done instead of him.. or he would lie to protect his twin too. One of them must always lie, but there is no possible way of knowing if its John or billy (are we sticking with billy?)

Question

Zog Ecosse · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 03:20 Post subject:

MMM, what happened to my post Question

must have gone through a portal somewhere or I have put it in the wrong place AGAIN.
I know the answer I have seen it before so I am not going to spoil the thread.
The only thing I need to lie about,
Is the size of my dick,
If I told the truth,
Nobody would believe me. Shocked

I live for laughs Laughing

Moo

Zog

Phat Bacon · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 05:41 Post subject:

[DOH] Half Life Half Bisc · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 15:32 Post subject:

Billy, John and the other one all worked at Burger King and were all sporting badges with their name on:
"Hi, my name is JOHN - how can I help"

This is how that geezer knew who was who.

p.s. Rublis likes Kornflakes

Zog Ecosse · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 17:31 Post subject: Question of the week #2

Ok Phat,
you can only recycle a joke so many times. I deserve 20 lashes for streeeeeching it out to far.

WHIPP!

Zog

deluxe · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 17:35 Post subject:

sargE · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 18:01 Post subject:

deluxe · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 18:26 Post subject:

haha don't forget the judge Very Happy

Spitfire · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 21:39 Post subject:

I feel so blonde right now, I really don't get it :S

Xmeagol · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 21:58 Post subject:

breen declares this, a thread with an IQ 280

only breen may repley

SO STFUPZ YOU ALZZ

Zog Ecosse · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 00:45 Post subject:

MMMMM,
depends which planet you are on Breenie.
On the planet Zog, iq 280 is quite normal Laughing

We don't care about things like that.

oh snipe an spitfire still want an answer and they will not be palmed off with 42.

Zog

DogSoldier · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 06:34 Post subject:

I Have the answer... probably. Spoiler below...
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What matters is that the judge knew from the answer of the second twin.

Take the following scenario:

Twin 2 says Yes:

In which case, since only one of them can be John, one of them is lying. But, we don't know which one it is. It could be Twin 1 or it could be Twin 2. The judge wouldn't know which since the other Twin could tell the truth or lie.

Twin 2 says No:

In this case, they are either both lying or both telling the truth. Since they both can't tell the truth, then they must both be lying. Which means that Twin 1 is not John and Twin 2 is John.

So, since the judge knew which twin was which, Twin 2 must have answered "No" and therefore the judge knew which was which.

If they wanted to keep their identity secret, Twin 2 would have been better off answering "Yes."

Twin 1 is John making Twin 2 Billy

If this is the case, then Twin 1 is telling the truth and Twin 2 would have answered "Yes" also because Twin 2 always lies. But, the judge would not have known who was lying and who was telling the truth so he wouldn't have known which one was which.

At least I'm pretty sure this is the right answer. And no, I haven't read the answer from someplace else.

deluxe · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 17:40 Post subject:

deluxe · Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 15:51 Post subject:

ok guys im going on vacation for one month next sunday, so let's say breen's question about the universe was the "Question of the week #3" Very Happy

if anybody wants to do the "Question of the week" while I'm on vacation, feel free to do it Smile

Ranking for this question:

DogSoldier:

(3 points)
sargE:

(2 points)
Diet H20:

(1 Point)

and finally rublis gets 1 for the funniest answer which has nothing to do with the real matter Very Happy

Current Ranking is:

Zog Ecosse:

(3 points)
DogSoldier:

(3 points)
Diet H20:

(3 points)
sargE:

(3 points)
Rublis:

(1 Point)

lol everyone has 3 points... Very Happy

have fun

Xmeagol · Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 15:52 Post subject:

Hecks!

I get 0 points for doing nothing!

HORRAY!

sargE · Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 15:53 Post subject:

Nice