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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 00:53    Post subject:  rank vs skill  

Several people played a stickfight-only match the other night, and the end result of that for me was a score of 15000 pts. So I decided to play for points for a couple of days. I peaked at about 16500 pts, at a rank of 41. But while I was doing this, I was actually playing much worse in terms of kpd.

I just played a few games involving only good players who were smacking me down when I tried to stick them, so that dropped my rank down to its current level, but the fact remains that it stabilized much higher than normal because I was attempting to use the stick whenever possible, regardless of the fact that I was getting a kpd sometimes as low as .5.

I guess kpd is mostly a measure of the skill level of the people playing with you, but I decided to just see what would happen if kpd was put more directly into rank.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 01:31    Post subject: test data  

51 " ItalyOpportun1st" 15765 3.37
52 " NorwaySKULLS" 15686 3.3
53 " CanadaHangar 18" 15638 1.85
54 United kingdomGW| FX57 15574 2
55 " Francedanys77" 15503 1.61
56 " United kingdom[AgC] Cannon" 15501 1.9
57 United kingdomfhtryu 15488 3.48
58 " SwedenBläckvard " 15463 1.92
59 " FranceLgm| Dunk BarrOw" 15459 1.56
60 Canada[-jihad-]™ JMan 15437 2.61
61 " United kingdomľ" 15437 2.54
62 " Germanysokarca69" 15418 1.32
63 " United statesnuggz" 15308 1.27
64 " GermanyVooDoo [el]" 15285 1.22
65 " France-H.?.C-¹ FmR" 15263 2.94
66 " FranceThuf " 15159 1.51
67 " Netherlandserin " 15148 2.88
68 " Finlandmoskiitto" 15104 2.67
69 " FranceOsiris_TSGK" 15029 1.96
70 " Germanypfert" 15017 2.39
71 " HungaryLgm| Totya" 14973 1.52
72 " CanadaGorehose " 14956 2.11
73 " United statessuckface" 14941 1.64
74 " United states[GoTg] old time no.7 " 14896 1.84
75 " Ireland[DmK] ??????Îç?™" 14884 1.12
76 " United kingdomskink " 14822 1.67
77 " FranceSuperwarrior " 14819 1.64
78 " United statesDirk" 14543 3.46
79 " No CountryKilla/PPV_TSGK" 14503 1.61
80 " United kingdom>< ) ) ) ) º> " 14498 3.79
81 " CanadaMeekMeekle_TSGK " 14489 1.83
82 " United kingdompisshead" 14488 1.91
83 " BrazilY Gwir Erbyn Y Byd " 14474 3.21
84 " United statesIg " 14422 2.59
85 " GermanyPlahish " 14404 1.52
86 " United kingdomShimmy_TSGK " 14369 1.29
87 " France-H.?.C- ½ ?arß?¢ed" 14342 1.71
88 " United statesPORQUE?_TSGK " 14321 2.04
89 " No CountryCaPtAiN UnDeRpAnTs™ " 14274 2.73
90 " GermanyFraggies| Wah Sing Gi" 14268 2.75
91 " United statesaXon.| dAeR" 14251 2.16
92 " United statesKSI " 14238 1.92
93 " ItalyMagic Mushrooms_TSGK" 14225 2.37
94 " No CountrycoDean " 14201 2.07
95 " United kingdom[E=mc²] KIO " 14180 1.1
96 " No Countryi hAcK" 14099 1.79
97 " CanadaKo-Tao " 14082 4.07
98 " No CountryMr. Plumbob" 14075 1.09
99 " United statesLugez " 14025 1.58
100 " United kingdomGW|ß????©? ÐA" 14002 1.6

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 01:36    Post subject: formula 1:
Subject description: Rank=Rank*kpd
 

97 " CanadaKo-Tao " 57313.74
80 " United kingdom>< ) ) ) ) º> " 54947.42
57 United kingdomfhtryu 53898.24
51 " ItalyOpportun1st" 53128.05
52 " NorwaySKULLS" 51763.8
78 " United statesDirk" 50318.78
83 " BrazilY Gwir Erbyn Y Byd " 46461.54
65 " France-H.?.C-¹ FmR" 44873.22
67 " Netherlandserin " 43626.24
68 " Finlandmoskiitto" 40327.68
60 Canada[-jihad-]™ JMan 40290.57
90 " GermanyFraggies| Wah Sing Gi" 39237
61 " United kingdomľ" 39209.98
89 " No CountryCaPtAiN UnDeRpAnTs™ " 38968.02
84 " United statesIg " 37352.98
70 " Germanypfert" 35890.63
93 " ItalyMagic Mushrooms_TSGK" 33713.25
72 " CanadaGorehose " 31557.16
54 United kingdomGW| FX57 31148
91 " United statesaXon.| dAeR" 30782.16
58 " SwedenBläckvard " 29688.96
69 " FranceOsiris_TSGK" 29456.84
56 " United kingdom[AgC] Cannon" 29451.9
94 " No CountrycoDean " 29396.07
88 " United statesPORQUE?_TSGK " 29214.84
53 " CanadaHangar 18" 28930.3
82 " United kingdompisshead" 27672.08
74 " United states[GoTg] old time no.7 " 27408.64
92 " United statesKSI " 27336.96
81 " CanadaMeekMeekle_TSGK " 26514.87
96 " No Countryi hAcK" 25237.21
55 " Francedanys77" 24959.83
76 " United kingdomskink " 24752.74
87 " France-H.?.C- ½ ?arß?¢ed" 24524.82
73 " United statessuckface" 24503.24
77 " FranceSuperwarrior " 24303.16
59 " FranceLgm| Dunk BarrOw" 24116.04
79 " No CountryKilla/PPV_TSGK" 23349.83
66 " FranceThuf " 22890.09
71 " HungaryLgm| Totya" 22758.96
100 " United kingdomGW|ß????©? ÐA" 22403.2
99 " United statesLugez " 22159.5
85 " GermanyPlahish " 21894.08
62 " Germanysokarca69" 20351.76
63 " United statesnuggz" 19441.16
64 " GermanyVooDoo [el]" 18647.7
86 " United kingdomShimmy_TSGK " 18536.01
75 " Ireland[DmK] ??????Îç?™" 16670.08
95 " United kingdom[E=mc²] KIO " 15598
98 " No CountryMr. Plumbob" 15341.75
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 01:40    Post subject: formula 2
Subject description: Rank=Rank*LOG10(1+kpd)
 

51 " ItalyOpportun1st" 10097.19
57 United kingdomfhtryu 10086.99
52 " NorwaySKULLS" 9936.59
97 " CanadaKo-Tao " 9927.92
80 " United kingdom>< ) ) ) ) º> " 9863.5
78 " United statesDirk" 9443.28
65 " France-H.?.C-¹ FmR" 9089.06
83 " BrazilY Gwir Erbyn Y Byd " 9035.86
67 " Netherlandserin " 8919.62
60 Canada[-jihad-]™ JMan 8606.24
68 " Finlandmoskiitto" 8528.72
61 " United kingdomľ" 8474.96
90 " GermanyFraggies| Wah Sing Gi" 8190.28
89 " No CountryCaPtAiN UnDeRpAnTs™ " 8160.57
84 " United statesIg " 8005.57
70 " Germanypfert" 7962.01
93 " ItalyMagic Mushrooms_TSGK" 7505.54
54 United kingdomGW| FX57 7430.69
72 " CanadaGorehose " 7369.72
58 " SwedenBläckvard " 7196.22
56 " United kingdom[AgC] Cannon" 7167.63
91 " United statesaXon.| dAeR" 7121.04
53 " CanadaHangar 18" 7112.86
69 " FranceOsiris_TSGK" 7083.04
94 " No CountrycoDean " 6917.85
88 " United statesPORQUE?_TSGK " 6915.23
74 " United states[GoTg] old time no.7 " 6752.63
82 " United kingdompisshead" 6720.88
92 " United statesKSI " 6626.12
81 " CanadaMeekMeekle_TSGK " 6545.93
55 " Francedanys77" 6459.18
76 " United kingdomskink " 6321.75
59 " FranceLgm| Dunk BarrOw" 6310.98
73 " United statessuckface" 6299.18
96 " No Countryi hAcK" 6282.57
77 " FranceSuperwarrior " 6247.75
87 " France-H.?.C- ½ ?arß?¢ed" 6209.65
66 " FranceThuf " 6058.65
79 " No CountryKilla/PPV_TSGK" 6042.54
71 " HungaryLgm| Totya" 6010.17
100 " United kingdomGW|ß????©? ÐA" 5810.46
85 " GermanyPlahish " 5781.77
99 " United statesLugez " 5772.97
62 " Germanysokarca69" 5635.09
63 " United statesnuggz" 5450.04
64 " GermanyVooDoo [el]" 5294.01
86 " United kingdomShimmy_TSGK " 5170.48
75 " Ireland[DmK] ??????Îç?™" 4857.18
95 " United kingdom[E=mc²] KIO " 4569.07
98 " No CountryMr. Plumbob" 4506.06
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 01:43    Post subject: formula 3
Subject description: rank=rank*(1+kpd/10)
 

51 51 " ItalyOpportun1st" 21077.81
52 57 United kingdomfhtryu 20877.82
53 52 " NorwaySKULLS" 20862.38
54 80 " United kingdom>< ) ) ) ) º> " 19992.74
55 97 " CanadaKo-Tao " 19813.37
56 65 " France-H.?.C-¹ FmR" 19750.32
57 78 " United statesDirk" 19574.88
58 67 " Netherlandserin " 19510.62
59 60 Canada[-jihad-]™ JMan 19466.06
60 61 " United kingdomľ" 19358
61 68 " Finlandmoskiitto" 19136.77
62 83 " BrazilY Gwir Erbyn Y Byd " 19120.15
63 54 United kingdomGW| FX57 18688.8
64 70 " Germanypfert" 18606.06
65 53 " CanadaHangar 18" 18531.03
66 56 " United kingdom[AgC] Cannon" 18446.19
67 58 " SwedenBläckvard " 18431.9
68 90 " GermanyFraggies| Wah Sing Gi" 18191.7
69 89 " No CountryCaPtAiN UnDeRpAnTs™ " 18170.8
70 84 " United statesIg " 18157.3
71 72 " CanadaGorehose " 18111.72
72 55 " Francedanys77" 17998.98
73 69 " FranceOsiris_TSGK" 17974.68
74 59 " FranceLgm| Dunk BarrOw" 17870.6
75 74 " United states[GoTg] old time no.7 " 17636.86
76 93 " ItalyMagic Mushrooms_TSGK" 17596.33
77 62 " Germanysokarca69" 17453.18
78 66 " FranceThuf " 17448.01
79 73 " United statessuckface" 17391.32
80 91 " United statesaXon.| dAeR" 17329.22
81 76 " United kingdomskink " 17297.27
82 82 " United kingdompisshead" 17255.21
83 63 " United statesnuggz" 17252.12
84 77 " FranceSuperwarrior " 17249.32
85 71 " HungaryLgm| Totya" 17248.9
86 88 " United statesPORQUE?_TSGK " 17242.48
87 64 " GermanyVooDoo [el]" 17149.77
88 94 " No CountrycoDean " 17140.61
89 81 " CanadaMeekMeekle_TSGK " 17140.49
90 92 " United statesKSI " 16971.7
91 79 " No CountryKilla/PPV_TSGK" 16837.98
92 87 " France-H.?.C- ½ ?arß?¢ed" 16794.48
93 96 " No Countryi hAcK" 16622.72
94 85 " GermanyPlahish " 16593.41
95 75 " Ireland[DmK] ??????Îç?™" 16551.01
96 100 " United kingdomGW|ß????©? ÐA" 16242.32
97 99 " United statesLugez " 16240.95
98 86 " United kingdomShimmy_TSGK " 16222.6
99 95 " United kingdom[E=mc²] KIO " 15739.8
100 98 " No CountryMr. Plumbob" 15609.18
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 01:50    Post subject:  

Em, um. WTF?!

Explain please for the love of Jesus and all that's holy why I'm at my PC at nearly 12 midnight looking at rows and rows of figures!

Oh sweet divine child of sorrows why did you rob me of 3 minutes of my life!!!

Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 01:55    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 02:06    Post subject:  

I just cant see anymore Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 02:07    Post subject:  

bleh. I should stop procrastinating and do my homework.

I wasted your time, because I wasted my time. I am deeply sorry for both of us.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 02:21    Post subject:  

lol.. i just noticed now that there is a formula in the subject before each post.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 03:05    Post subject:  

Yeah. Razz I tried posting the spreadsheet itself, but the forum doesn't like the .ods extension.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 14:39    Post subject:  

hmmmm ... general KPD says nothing about skills of a player because kpd depends of players play with you. Play with newbies : kpd = 5, play with TSGK members and your kpd will be < 1 if you are an average player. A lot of players leave the game when skilled players are joining and/or beginning to dominate to keep their points or keep a very good kpd. (i think it's the bad way to progress......)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 17:03    Post subject:  

rank and skill are there to get point and rank hungry players playing. we all noticed how everyone stopped playing when the new points system came and everyone was loosing points. so its just to get more players,but thats just my point of view on this.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 18:38    Post subject:  

Points = Rank

KPD = Skill


yeah, if i play for points, i usualy get more than 6000 the same day

if i play for kpd, i get 500 to 9000 points max :-\
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 20:11    Post subject:  

I'm trying a flavor of load balancing- stick the guys worth less points, and shoot the guys worth more points.
My KpD doesn't suffer, and I still get points.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 21:20    Post subject:  

This topic is very unhealthy Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 22:21    Post subject:  

so.. true
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 23:29    Post subject:  

well, i disagree.
Camping is unhealthy. Very Happy
Talking openly about the rank vs. skill system helps us improve on ranking. Now whether that matters to us or not is different. The main point is that we all have fun no matter what, so enjoy my stick, chaps.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 01:57    Post subject:  

RPG pimps dont win in mymmind, if i frag an rpg'er i win 3 frags!!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:54    Post subject:  

In my thoughts:
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*BOOM!*" Hehe,got him"
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