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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 21:44    Post subject:  CPU tweaks.  

So i'm kinda fed up with my cpu being the botleneck of my gaming. Any tips on improving the cpu , WITHOUT overclocking it ?
I got a descent Vcard , 2 gigs of ram ( games run smoothly on 2 gigs now days , why do i need more? xD )
Maybe some of you guys know a trick or two to make games like L4D2 not to choke on CPU ...
I'm not a PC tweaker overall but i am good at LAN cracking and Gfx tweaking in games on my Videocards , still i cant find any usefull source for CPU tweaking without overclocking , or buying a new CPU :X NEEDZ help

Thanks in advance

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 22:05    Post subject:  

L4d is the most demanding source game ver created, you might not be able to run it at all.

Use an fps config of course, ditch all on board hardware because it will use your cpu to compensate for it's lack of individual power all the way down to the on board LAN, use none of it.

Download and use Gamebooster, from here http://majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=5952

That not enough? Gonna need more power ;p
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 00:51    Post subject:  

why no overclocking? not the right hardware or you don´t want to risk anything?

if you are well informed the risk is low. overclocking isn´t hard at all, you just need a mainboard that supports overclocking, higher clocked ram and a good cpu cooler, air is fine. if you are lucky you made the right choices when you bought your pc and you can start right away. ram isn´t expensive, 2gb ddr800 for example costs 35€ here, good cpu coolers are affordable too. overclocking friendly boards cost a bit more. however if you don´t have any of these it might be much more useful to buy a new pc than changing those components, maybe take some components over to the new pc like the gpu and its even cheaper. I build a low cost pc for a friend with:
amd x3 435 (3x 2.9ghz)
arctic cooling freezer (reason: more silent than stock cooler)
cheap board by msi
cheap case
4gb ddr3 ram
ati 4770
500gb hdd
400w corsair psu
for a total of 440€.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 01:46    Post subject: Re: CPU tweaks.  

Freelancer wrote:
So i'm kinda fed up with my cpu being the botleneck of my gaming. Any tips on improving the cpu , WITHOUT overclocking it ?
I got a descent Vcard , 2 gigs of ram ( games run smoothly on 2 gigs now days , why do i need more? xD )
Maybe some of you guys know a trick or two to make games like L4D2 not to choke on CPU ...
I'm not a PC tweaker overall but i am good at LAN cracking and Gfx tweaking in games on my Videocards , still i cant find any usefull source for CPU tweaking without overclocking , or buying a new CPU :X NEEDZ help

Thanks in advance



Free, i really dont see a way to improve your cpu, without overcloclocking it... lol.... there is basicly nothing to improve on a cpu, then changing its frequency Razz

So.... pretty much like lawitz says, or u overclock it...or u buy a new cpu ( Twisted Evil )


I use my E8400 at 4Ghz, pretty much since i bought it ( around 1 month after release) does 4.2ghz pretty easy (but its not worth, he just eat volts from 4ghz+) and i got 4.4ghz, not stable though.... hehe

and still rocking, and i hope it keeps up till i got it fried..... Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 17:04    Post subject:  

THanks Gdog i will try that out .
And Lawitz , you can build an even better PC with lower prices here Smile The point is that i dont have ANY money at all right now xD and everything i need is a new CPU tbh Mad I didnt want to overclock it but i still will do t sooner or later Very Happy lol all i need is a couple of clean , brand new big coolers Very Happy and thats it ^^
thanks guys.

P.S. GMS dont FRY IT !! Razz

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 21:36    Post subject:  

what temperature does it get gms? my e6400@3.44ghz hits 50°C max.

so latvia is cheaper than germany. can you give me a link to some latvian pc component shop (online) so I can check it out?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 02:04    Post subject:  

no guaranty that all of them have ENG support ... so just search what u need XD
http://www.salidzini.lv/rus/interneta-veikali.php

P.S. Gdog, that software makes L4D2 drop 15-25 fps so instead of a 45 in-battle FPS i get like 20-22 fps .... but still thans for the soft.

Will change to w7 and have al ook see. Maybe the fps lag is mostly the windows problem , like 4 months ago hl2dm ran at 100 fps now 50-70-90 Confused

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 02:35    Post subject:  

I dont see much of a difference to our prices (checked intel 920, e8400 and nvidia gtx295). take a look here: http://geizhals.at/deutschland/ for our prices.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 02:39    Post subject:  

Lawitz wrote:
what temperature does it get gms? my e6400@3.44ghz hits 50°C max.



Currently hits 45ºC max, running prime95. in the summer goes to around 55-58ºC. with a Noctua NH12P.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 15:23    Post subject:  

did you use this: http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ ? this will give the real readout. most readout programs like everest for example give me much lower core temps and higher cpu temps. coretemp reads out the temperature sensors inside the cpu according to the description.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 16:39    Post subject:  

well, i actually tried a bunch of them, that one, coretemp, realtemp, HWmonitor, Everest, and i think another one i cant remember.

pretty much all gave me almost same temps( 1-2ºC degree diference) , except for realtemp, the only one that really had a diference, and showed lower temps (cpu, and cpu cores) than all of the other, a diference between 5-10ºC degrees.

I ended up using HWmonitor http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php, and guide trough it, its very simple, doesnt need any install, and shows all the temps i want in one simple window, gfx card, hdds, mobo, cpu, cpu cores, fans speeds, voltages, etc.

I found HWmonitor pretty acurate, apart from the cpu, wich seems to differ just a little bit from other software, the rest of the components temps, like the gfx, hdd, etc, was always the same as indicated by other software, so, its the only software i use for temp reading.

I also use EVGA precision for OC the gfx, and set fan speed.



Edit: SpeedFan, i tried that one to.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 18:49    Post subject:  

Lawitz, i leave a screenshot here, so u can see, coretemp, and HWmonitor read the same temp, but real temp have a 5ºC lower diference.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 19:30    Post subject:  

Lawitz wrote ~

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I dont see much of a difference to our prices (checked intel 920, e8400 and nvidia gtx295).


I am surprised. The guy can't afford to upgrade at the moment.

I just upgraded to i7 920 prior to the VAT going back up to 17.5%
You will have to scrap just about everything you have if you want to go down the only logical upgrade path and that at the moment is to an i7 processor.
You can save a little if you chose the less desirable two channed ddr3 i7 8xx series but its at the expense of performance. There is also the i5 series but this is a big performance hit.
The only things I retained for the upgrade were the case, psu and gfx card.
The upgrade cost arround the 600 euro mark and that took a lot of price comparision and sourcing.
Add Windows 7 and it comes to nearly 700 euros.

However my 920 overclocks to 3.3ghz with a slightly upgraded air cooling system and runs stable at under 60 C on a 100% strain test.
I can push it further but there is not much point at the moment. I am getting almost the equivelent performance from an overclocked 920 as the extreme 975 which incidentally costs arround about the 800 euros itself without the rest.

This is the time to upgrade because there is a lot of stuff out there which all but the the last generation top end processors struggle with.
L4D2 is prime example. My overclocked E6400 with the same gfx card and 1gm ram less struggled with this game exhibiting low frame rates frame freeze and sound lag.

So my observation is that even with oveclocking on your current system, you will may still struggle. The only real way to get a substantial performance improvement is, as suggested, to overclock.
I do however understand your reluctance to overclock if you dont want to risk a disaster especially if others need to use the computer.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 21:50    Post subject:  

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I dont see much of a difference to our prices (checked intel 920, e8400 and nvidia gtx295).


I am surprised. The guy can't afford to upgrade at the moment.

I just upgraded to i7 920 prior to the VAT going back up to 17.5%
You will have to scrap just about everything you have if you want to go down the only logical upgrade path and that at the moment is to an i7 processor.
You can save a little if you chose the less desirable two channed ddr3 i7 8xx series but its at the expense of performance. There is also the i5 series but this is a big performance hit.
The only things I retained for the upgrade were the case, psu and gfx card.
The upgrade cost arround the 600 euro mark and that took a lot of price comparision and sourcing.
Add Windows 7 and it comes to nearly 700 euros.

However my 920 overclocks to 3.3ghz with a slightly upgraded air cooling system and runs stable at under 60 C on a 100% strain test.
I can push it further but there is not much point at the moment. I am getting almost the equivelent performance from an overclocked 920 as the extreme 975 which incidentally costs arround about the 800 euros itself without the rest.

This is the time to upgrade because there is a lot of stuff out there which all but the the last generation top end processors struggle with.
L4D2 is prime example. My overclocked E6400 with the same gfx card and 1gm ram less struggled with this game exhibiting low frame rates frame freeze and sound lag.

So my observation is that even with oveclocking on your current system, you will may still struggle. The only real way to get a substantial performance improvement is, as suggested, to overclock.
I do however understand your reluctance to overclock if you dont want to risk a disaster especially if others need to use the computer.

Well , first off i will reinstall Windows ( probably Win7) and try the framerates then, my pc need some FORMATING xD BEen a long time since i reinstalled Windows , I clean REG and Defrag the HDDs pretty often yet fps goes down with time , so i think i will win 20-30 fps more witht he reinstall. And After a while i will buy me a new Motherboard along with a brand new CPU . THankz fo tha help guys ^^

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