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ELEA vs TSGK #2 after the fight
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 23:38    Post subject:  ELEA vs TSGK #2 after the fight  
Second meeting for the ELEA and the TSGK.
It has turned from 4v4 to 3v3 at the 3th map, and even with that modification, both parts of the fight were intense and fun.
Thanks for this good games.

Thanks to:

[ELEA] Tef
[ELEA] Bob.swe
[ELEA] PiecesOfMieces
[ELEA] Willyfxp
[ELEA] Smacky
Ghost Dog_TSGK
St0n3dCabbag3_TSGK
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 23:46    Post subject:  
great match and amazingly no crashes until the after the last round, gg and thx to all that played Very Happy
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Thanks for this fight, great game to all.
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yeah gg all nice to hear that it made fun Laughing Laughing Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 00:01    Post subject:  
GG all - Thanx... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 00:36    Post subject:  
yeh thx for the game, was good fun Very Happy

hopefully for the rematch we will have more elites available and mebes actually win a map Razz

but wp tsgk u deserved the win!
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Thanks for the game Smile
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Thanks for the games
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 23:18    Post subject:  
Good game TSGK! Rematch sometime in the not too distant future. Swamped with work and on 5 am schedule, hence had to bail out after map 1.

ELEA I server up and running (moved from GameServers to KillerCreation) and my ping is finally back to where it's supposed to be - 40 instead of 120. Very Happy

Seems like GameServers re-reroute my signal from Iceland first to NY, then back to Europe. No clue wtf that is all about, KC goes direct to UK, hence better ping.

As usual, no one on this side took score pics. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 23:32    Post subject:  
[ELEA] Smacker Vino wrote:
Seems like GameServers re-reroute my signal from Iceland first to NY, then back to Europe. No clue wtf that is all about, KC goes direct to UK, hence better ping.

Routing table is more the business of your provider and the peers used between you and the destination, Gameservers is a destination, your provider doesn't use an optimized route to reach the network where they are hosted at, or they maybe don't have a peer allowing a direct route to UK for that network and have to pass via NY first (welcome to backbone mafia).
You can still tell your provider about the matter, providing the IP of the destination, they may explain why they route you to NY before going to UK for this destination, or they may fix the table (sure), or they may never reply.
Good luck with that.
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[ELEA] Smacker Vino


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 09:36    Post subject:  
Osiris_TSGK wrote:
You can still tell your provider about the matter, providing the IP of the destination, they may explain why they route you to NY before going to UK for this destination, or they may fix the table (sure), or they may never reply.


Heh, got this reply from GS when I send them the comparison between their route and KillerCreation:

    Killercreation is not on Level3 communications network. The routes will be different in this case.

    [GS Staff signature] and then the GS slogan ...
    Frag. Not Lag.


Different to say the least since I don't go through NY to reach London anymore when connecting to our KC server. GS ought to change their slogan to Frag'n'lag.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 15:39    Post subject:  
[ELEA] Smacker Vino wrote:
Osiris_TSGK wrote:
You can still tell your provider about the matter, providing the IP of the destination, they may explain why they route you to NY before going to UK for this destination, or they may fix the table (sure), or they may never reply.


Heh, got this reply from GS when I send them the comparison between their route and KillerCreation:

    Killercreation is not on Level3 communications network. The routes will be different in this case.

    [GS Staff signature] and then the GS slogan ...
    Frag. Not Lag.


Different to say the least since I don't go through NY to reach London anymore when connecting to our KC server. GS ought to change their slogan to Frag'n'lag.

Yes, that means your Internet Provider doesn't have another route to reach Level 3 network in the UK than passing via NY first.
Gameserver has no routing table, Gameserver is a destination, your Internet Provider is responsible for the route between you and the destination.

If you take a plane to visit someone living in London and that this plane is passing via NY before reaching London, your friend isn't responsible, but the Airline is.
That's exactly the same with internet routing, where Internet Provider is the Airline and someone is Gameserver.

If your Internet Provider lost its direct peer with the network where Killercreation is hosed at, it will be the same problem, hopefully this rarely happend.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 17:50    Post subject:  
Wow, dam, this is the BEST techie explanation I've ever heard. Shocked

Even I understood it. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 19:04    Post subject:  
Osiris knows all Very Happy if you have a problem he'l b the first to solve it
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:12    Post subject:  
So I notice. Osiris the Encyclopeadic. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 15:47    Post subject:  
Well it seems for many ppl their ISP's routes are via NY. Thats why many clans are changing server provider.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 01:57    Post subject:  
And we just did. [ELEA] I just changed from GameServers to KillerCreation. Check this traceroute (both servers are in London; connecting from Reykjavik Iceland):

    Old [ELEA] I: 217.163.27.54 (GameServers)
    1 6 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
    2 * 7 ms 11 ms B08-Muli.metronet.is [193.4.254.8]
    3 6 ms 11 ms 11 ms VL-2027-D01-Sidumuli.metronet.is [193.4.61.1]
    4 82 ms 75 ms 81 ms gi0-7.na21.b002894-0.ewr02.atlas.cogentco.com [3 8.104.44.41]
    5 83 ms 80 ms 84 ms gi9-0.3501.core01.ewr02.atlas.cogentco.com [38.112.37.33]
    6 77 ms 80 ms 80 ms po6-0.core01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.145]
    7 76 ms 80 ms 81 ms te4-2.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.114]
    8 74 ms 80 ms 80 ms te9-4.mpd03.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.209]
    9 76 ms 80 ms 80 ms vl3496.mpd01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.50]
    10 75 ms 80 ms 81 ms Te-8-1.car2.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.111.45]
    11 106 ms 105 ms 107 ms vlan69.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.16.62]
    12 120 ms 126 ms 127 ms ae-61-61.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.65]
    13 130 ms 127 ms 120 ms ae-4.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.132.110]
    14 113 ms 106 ms 103 ms ge-11-1.ipcolo2.London1.Level3.net [4.68.116.106]
    15 106 ms 96 ms 104 ms 217.163.27.54

    New [ELEA] I: 81.19.219.24:27015 (KillerCreation)
    1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
    2 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms B08-Muli.metronet.is [193.4.254.8]
    3 6 ms 11 ms 11 ms VL-2027-D01-Sidumuli.metronet.is [193.4.61.1]
    4 48 ms 48 ms 47 ms ae0-6.lon11.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.77.125]
    5 50 ms 48 ms 47 ms telewest-gw.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.78.38]
    6 47 ms 47 ms 47 ms tele2-gw4.telewest.net [194.117.136.197]
    7 50 ms 48 ms 48 ms telewest.transit.as25369.net [194.117.147.66]
    8 52 ms 48 ms 48 ms DualXeon.killercreation.co.uk [81.19.219.24:27015]


Quite the difference. I have no clue what this is all about, but after some investigation ALL Europe-based GameServers go through NY and ALL Europe-based KillerCreation server do NOT.

One thing I do notice, however, is the last step:

    GameServers London: 106 ms 96 ms 104 ms
    KillerCreation London: 52 ms 48 ms 48 ms


Our UK shooters immediately dropped from latency 40 to 12. This raises the question; if I'm using the same airline (the provider), who does one destination make me go through NY and the other straight to London.
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[ELEA] Smacker Vino wrote:
This raises the question; if I'm using the same airline (the provider), who does one destination make me go through NY and the other straight to London.

This example was ultra simplified, routing is more about network peer than physical location (imagine, 2 differents airports in the same city, where your airline will pass via NY for the airport #1 (Level 3) and will go directly to london for the airport #2 (KillerCreation), whatever, it still the airline choice to use these routes).
A good provider provides a smart route to a network located at a physical location, some provider do not care about the physical presence of a network and automaticaly route all the traffic to the most well know peer of the destination, in your case it is Level 3, which is the world largest intercontinental network, your provider just don't bother routing smartly since Level 3 is too big (or unknown reason), they just trow all the traffic to NY and let the Level 3 peer in NY reroute the traffic to their physical location at London.
See how a provider can really don't bother at all:
http://forum.tsgk.com/viewtopic.php?p=38978#38978
In that case he passes via London, and go to NY and come back to London (thumbs up).

And for exemple mine, which route me directly to Level 3 London instead of trowing my traffic to NY and then come back to London like the other case.
http://forum.tsgk.com/viewtopic.php?p=38783#38783

Lazy providers waste the transatlantic cable bandwidth, purely and simply, but who cares.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 15:45    Post subject:  
Osiris_TSGK wrote:
If you take a plane to visit someone living in London and that this plane is passing via NY before reaching London, your friend isn't responsible, but the Airline is.

What if your friend is the pilot? Or a hijacker?
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[DOH] Half Life Half Bisc wrote:
Osiris_TSGK wrote:
If you take a plane to visit someone living in London and that this plane is passing via NY before reaching London, your friend isn't responsible, but the Airline is.

What if your friend is the pilot? Or a hijacker?


Then give your friend a slap when he gets back...
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Ok, I've made a decision ...

... I'll take the boat! Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 17:37    Post subject:  
your more than wlecome to borrow mine Rolling Eyes
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Oooo, tytyty, just the type of vessel I had in mind. Very Happy
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