TSGK Clan Forum

Shimmy_TSGK · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 19:55 Post subject: help me out here please...

ok guys...
so let's say when someone sez OMG OMG OMG This graphic card as an example an nvidia 8800GT owns an ati 3870 right? how does that mean that the nivdia is better?

I mean if the nvidia's own graphic card is an ati, wouldnt that make the ati the better card... because the Nvidia games using an ati...

people can be so stupid sometimes! pshhhh

Xmeagol · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 20:26 Post subject:

both cards are a perfect balence

8800G is better in perfomance, but the H3870 is less expensive

and there is going to be price cuts so its gonna cost around 170€ YEAHHHH

opti185 · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 20:54 Post subject:

Cannon Foddr · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 21:10 Post subject:

Zog Ecosse · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 21:13 Post subject:

It does not take a seriously good graphics to play dm or for that matter a state of the art rig. It's like spending mega bucks on a hi fi for the reproduction that the human ear can not hear. Check out the recommended specs.
In fact, I took a a rig out of a dumpster not so long ago that had a higher spec with the exception of the on board graphics. Obviously, a system that is not under strain is less susceptible to the CRASH.
I started off with a Gforce 4 and progressed to an Ati which had a very short and lack luster life. I had to go back to the old card and noticed no difference save the number of crashes.
I could go back to my old rig which is a P4 3g with an FX5200 and I doubt if I would notice the difference in the graphic side.
Having said this, it would not be possible if I did not take the Razer mouse and the Reclusa keyboard with me. If anything, these are the two items which got my kpd up and over 1 in normal play.
I suppose at the level some of you play at, a 5% improvement in overall performance might be critical but for Zog it only means a handful of kills or deaths over the course of a nights play.

Zog

Xmeagol · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 22:20 Post subject:

youll get over 100 fps with a 8500GT with settings maxed and AA anf AF Very Happy

but at DX81

Zog Ecosse · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 06:00 Post subject:

I have 7600 at the moment and I will not change it until the price of the better cards comes down. I have a 20 inch Acer fp which I got at a bargin price. It has a average response time of 200ms. This = 200 fps. My 19 in Sony CRT monitor's response time is measured in nano seconds. The max the 7600 put out in dm was 349 fps.
So I set fps_max at 200 for my current monitor and that way I know I will never lose a critical frame. (that is if I could see it : check the response time of the human eye)
A normal TV does about 30 fps and it seems pretty smooth. Then again we don't sit 2 foot (600cm.) away from the screen.
Flat panel monitors are brilliant but the do have the response time factor that a CRT monitor is not in real terms, constrained by.
Realistically you need a fp monitor with a 2ms response time = 500 fps if you are that critical or a fps whore.
I think the secret for dm is not the capability of the graphics card but the memory it has onboard, the more the better. Any card which uses system memory is only fit for the crash bin. The same applies for sound cards.

No matter what rig you have or the graphics setup, the game is only as good as your connection OR as good as Steam allows it to be.

Zog

Shimmy_TSGK · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 13:20 Post subject:

guys... thank you for your responses... but i was asking about the situation from a hypothetical point of view... Mr. Green

I guess everyone is a tech hardie person here Mr. Green

I am running everything on thee old school ati x1600 and i have no complaints at all.. everything is running on a 15.4 inch laptop which is nippy enough with a 2 ghz core 2 duo processor. plus i get to game in bed Embarassed

Ghost Dog_TSGK · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 22:29 Post subject:

I have the same card x1600 512mb, got it cheap brand new, and it has more power than the pro so I'm happier with it it handles most games very well.

Although i'm not too partial either way I'll go with whatever company has my best deal at the time.

Zog Ecosse · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 23:30 Post subject:

Its whatever you are happy with. Esoterically the Ati card has the edge on on the raz but Nvida beats it hands down on stability.
Despite the claims that each company make, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
I have long since stopped believing what the card makers, Nvidia and Ati say. Rolling Eyes

On balance I go for Nvidia.
A couple of expensive and bad experiences with Ati might be clouding my judgement but at the end of the day, I have had 2 Ati's fry on me. Mad

The last offering for the games market from Ati was a disaster and the budget end cards are worse than some on board graphics setups.
I have an old Kyro 2 64k card which only runs up to DX8 ------------- pwand but if they could have got a foothold, it might be a 3 way hypothetical discussion.

Zog

StonedCabbage · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 23:32 Post subject:

My old rig didn't even have PCI express yet it played HL2DM fine, Graphix cards are too overated, if you wanna spend an extra $200 on a better gfx card to get a few extra FPS and a slightly better looking orb ball then go ahead, your the sucker Razz

Zog Ecosse · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 23:39 Post subject:

Oh, you got in before may last post. I was too busy trying to be get the post back on topic.
Spot on. Stoned.

Zog

Xmeagol · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 00:16 Post subject:

Theres one game that will shit on our graphics cards.

Crysis.

Freelancer · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 03:34 Post subject:

Shimmy_TSGK · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 03:45 Post subject:

Xmeagol · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:08 Post subject:

I managed to get Very High Settings on XP

There IS a huge diference betwen High and Very High

I only used Physics on Very High, and destroyed every house i could Laughing