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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 13:27    Post subject:  

Dihydrogenmonoxid wrote:
sargE:"Considering dark engery is a force, it hardly be counted as matter " false false false Evil or Very Mad ever heard of E=mc˛???
Yes, it explains the conversion of matter into energy. Nothing to do with Dark energy which is basically pushing the expansion of the universe faster (so the acceleration of the expansion is increasing)
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sargE:"It is theoretically possible but your rocket would need to be travelling faster than the speed of light to reach the edge of the universe" u said it the roket has to travel faster than the speed of lifght... so its ever theoretically impossible (Special relativity).

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It is theoretically possible but your rocket would need to be travelling faster than the speed of light to reach the edge of the universe (which is impossible according to einstein.. who is known to be wrong lol).


I did say it is impossible according to Einstein. However, since mankind is nowhere near the point of the speed of light no1 can be certain that there arnt ways of travelling faster. My motto "nothing is impossible"! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 13:47    Post subject: Re: Breen has a question (Germans might know this more than
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sargE wrote:
DrBreen wrote:
If the universe is infinit


Incorrect.
The universe is extremely big. Impossibly massive but it is not infinite.

Working out the exact centre of the universe would also be next to impossible as the universe is expanding all the time. It might be in your balls this second, the next it could be 100 miles to your right Laughing


The truth is people don't know, people have tried to justify the Volume and Shape of the Universe, in lots of different ways (Google it), the fact is, it is impossible.

One theory it is like a cone, Constantly expanding from the Pinncale of the cone, and expands outwards to the base. Others say if you travel far enough it will just wrap round back on itself. People just don't know really, I mean how can you justify the end of the universe, what does it look like , I really can't see it looking like Breens ballbag, so thats one theory ruled out. Sry Breen Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 15:25    Post subject:  

sargE i ve seen what u wrote... but did u say that is was theoretically possible or not???? u did and that is wrong! and plz dont come up with those theories saying that Einstein is wrong, they have no scientific foundation.
i know what dark engerie is... and i also know that it might be the vacuum energie that i refered to at the beginning of my last post... but nevertheless it is a form of energie and u can transfer any form of energie in matter. and that's why u have to count it as matter in a certain way.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 15:35    Post subject:  

it has been said that Dark energy is somewhat connected with neutrinos, causing the universe to expand faster

maybe thast the diference betwen dark matter and dark energy?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 15:41    Post subject:  

DrBreen wrote:
Dark energy and dark matter is totaly diferent things, despite their name


hotdog and hot dog is totaly diferent things, despite their name

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 15:44    Post subject:  

Guys, you can stop this discussion now. Very Happy Just watched out of my window last night and didnt see anything like this:



Shows clearly that the Universe is infinite, Einstein is right and there is still no evidence like Stop Signs or Walls. Laughing

I can feel much vacuum and dark energy here but not related to the universe... Wink Very Happy Razz
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DrBreen wrote:
it has been said that Dark energy is somewhat connected with neutrinos, causing the universe to expand faster

maybe thast the diference betwen dark matter and dark energy?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 15:51    Post subject:  

Dihydrogenmonoxid wrote:
and plz dont come up with those theories saying that Einstein is wrong, they have no scientific foundation.


Here is proof that one of his theorys were wrong:
http://www.mrelativity.net/MBriefs/Einstein's_VC_Wrong.htm
http://www.mrelativity.net/MBriefs/Einstein's_Transverse_Doppler_%20Wrong_1.htm (the links work.. copy and paste, for some reason the apostrophy isnt included)
If one of his theorys was wrong then can you atleast admit that others of his could be wrong.

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but nevertheless it is a form of energie and u can transfer any form of energie in matter. and that's why u have to count it as matter in a certain way.


Indeed you can. But that does not mean you can transform Dark Energy into Dark Matter. They are completly different! Dark Energy is a force that is accelerating the universe's expansion.
Could you convert gravity into matter?
I dunno, but it seems unlikely. This is the same with the other fundemental forces.

If you are unsure on the differences between them, may i suggect you read wiki Wink
Dark Matter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Matter
Dark Energy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Energy

And your welcome Razz

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 15:55    Post subject:  

theres a wiki ?

going to read it right now
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 15:57    Post subject:  

sargE wrote:
They are completly different! Dark Energy is a force that is accelerating the universe's expansion.


stop stealing my words :X
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 16:01    Post subject:  

DrBreen wrote:
sargE wrote:
They are completly different! Dark Energy is a force that is accelerating the universe's expansion.


stop stealing my words :X


Confused
sry lol

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 16:02    Post subject:  

and another question

the reason why 5 o 6 billion years ago the universe had a high concentration of heavy hydrogen (aka deutrium or Hydrogen-2)
and now there isnt as much, is because of black holes, and other stuff right?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 16:23    Post subject:  

DrBreen wrote:
and another question

the reason why 5 o 6 billion years ago the universe had a high concentration of heavy hydrogen (aka deutrium or Hydrogen-2)
and now there isnt as much, is because of black holes, and other stuff right?


no. Heavyer elements were made during stars end when hydrogen runs out. Over time, the percentages have become what they were today. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 18:29    Post subject:  

ahh yes

i tought of that Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 18:35    Post subject: Re: Breen has a question (Germans might know this more than
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sargE wrote:
DrBreen wrote:
If the universe is infinit


Incorrect.
The universe is extremely big. Impossibly massive but it is not infinite.

Working out the exact centre of the universe would also be next to impossible as the universe is expanding all the time. It might be in your balls this second, the next it could be 100 miles to your right Laughing


My balls off-set the center of the universe, and they are infinitely big.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 19:17    Post subject:  

i know what caused big bang

it was Ghost dog


He farted
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I believe the big bang was caused when an infinitely large being farted whilst smoking after having eaten a portion of baked beans and haggis the size of the universe.

Seriously, I was not going to enter into this discussion because it brings back to many memories of my days at Uni. Long nights of endless talk about the meaning of life its origins and how it all began in dingy smoke filled bedsits. It got so bad some nights, you had to shovel all the used words off the floor in the morning before you could go to the toilet.
In order to satisfy the mind of primitive man, the concept of a supreme being(s) developed in order to answer all these types of question. It developed in all cultures around the world. Most cultures had multiple gods because the concept of an single god being responsible everything was too much for a primitive mind to handle.
Today the god of science is not much better. Each theory postulated stands to be shot down because they are all materially flawed in some way. You sit down and do the maths and it does not quite work so you balance the equation by inventing a theoretical sub atomic particle with magical properties to make the equations balance. Then, millions of dollars are spent trying to prove if the particle does or does not exist.
Sound familiar? We are no closer to the answer that primitive man. At least scientist and philosophers are not burned at the stake for being heretics these days.
Man will always strive to find the answer and, it is our ability to think logically which separates us from animals. If the definitive answer were to be found, it would mark the decline of mankind. It is our last great challenge, the quest for the holy grail if you like.
I do not ask myself these questions now because I am getting older and nearer death. Each day bonus when you are over the hill and the world and the universe is there to be marveled at and enjoyed and not thought about too deeply.
All energy put into solving the "question" would be put to better use in addressing the problems of our own planet. This will not happen because man will always be dreamer.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 20:42    Post subject:  

Well said.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 20:55    Post subject:  

indeed, well said zog!

But i like so many others believe that there is a scientific answer to everything. I dont believe mankind will every find the answer to everything. In a NEARLLY infinite universe there are a nearlly infinite number of questions and puzzles for us to solve about ourselves, the universe and any "greater beings". Im quite worried that this thread might slip into a "darwin vs god" argument...

Also, spending millions to better understand our existance is not a waste of money or time. It gives us a certain feeling that we have control over our lives (whether this is so or not).

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 20:57    Post subject:  

indeed


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 21:29    Post subject:  

hey sargE didnt you ready my post correctly?? i know very well the difference between dark matter and dark energy!! i dont know what u read but i never said that u could transform dark energy into dark matter Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad !!! just said that u could transform dark energy into matter that all.
sry i cant open your links about those theories
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 21:33    Post subject:  

Zog Ecosse wrote:
I believe the big bang was caused when an infinitely large being farted whilst smoking after having eaten a portion of baked beans and haggis the size of the universe.

Seriously, I was not going to enter into this discussion because it brings back to many memories of my days at Uni. Long nights of endless talk about the meaning of life its origins and how it all began in dingy smoke filled bedsits. It got so bad some nights, you had to shovel all the used words off the floor in the morning before you could go to the toilet.
In order to satisfy the mind of primitive man, the concept of a supreme being(s) developed in order to answer all these types of question. It developed in all cultures around the world. Most cultures had multiple gods because the concept of an single god being responsible everything was too much for a primitive mind to handle.
Today the god of science is not much better. Each theory postulated stands to be shot down because they are all materially flawed in some way. You sit down and do the maths and it does not quite work so you balance the equation by inventing a theoretical sub atomic particle with magical properties to make the equations balance. Then, millions of dollars are spent trying to prove if the particle does or does not exist.
Sound familiar? We are no closer to the answer that primitive man. At least scientist and philosophers are not burned at the stake for being heretics these days.
Man will always strive to find the answer and, it is our ability to think logically which separates us from animals. If the definitive answer were to be found, it would mark the decline of mankind. It is our last great challenge, the quest for the holy grail if you like.
I do not ask myself these questions now because I am getting older and nearer death. Each day bonus when you are over the hill and the world and the universe is there to be marveled at and enjoyed and not thought about too deeply.
All energy put into solving the "question" would be put to better use in addressing the problems of our own planet. This will not happen because man will always be dreamer.

Zog


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 21:50    Post subject:  

Zog Ecosse wrote:

All energy put into solving the "question" would be put to better use in addressing the problems of our own planet.


I don't know how many times I already said this (to my brother also Smile )
-I agree

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 22:43    Post subject:  

Rublis wrote:
WE ALL ARE IN MATRIX!!! NOOBS

How did you find out about the matrix rublis. *looks at agent fyckfaco*

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 23:36    Post subject:  

Dihydrogenmonoxid wrote:
sry i cant open your links about those theories


copy and paste the whole line/link. Not just the part in blue

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 16:04    Post subject:  

Knife wrote:
Zog Ecosse wrote:
I believe the big bang was caused when an infinitely large being farted whilst smoking after having eaten a portion of baked beans and haggis the size of the universe.

Seriously, I was not going to enter into this discussion because it brings back to many memories of my days at Uni. Long nights of endless talk about the meaning of life its origins and how it all began in dingy smoke filled bedsits. It got so bad some nights, you had to shovel all the used words off the floor in the morning before you could go to the toilet.
In order to satisfy the mind of primitive man, the concept of a supreme being(s) developed in order to answer all these types of question. It developed in all cultures around the world. Most cultures had multiple gods because the concept of an single god being responsible everything was too much for a primitive mind to handle.
Today the god of science is not much better. Each theory postulated stands to be shot down because they are all materially flawed in some way. You sit down and do the maths and it does not quite work so you balance the equation by inventing a theoretical sub atomic particle with magical properties to make the equations balance. Then, millions of dollars are spent trying to prove if the particle does or does not exist.
Sound familiar? We are no closer to the answer that primitive man. At least scientist and philosophers are not burned at the stake for being heretics these days.
Man will always strive to find the answer and, it is our ability to think logically which separates us from animals. If the definitive answer were to be found, it would mark the decline of mankind. It is our last great challenge, the quest for the holy grail if you like.
I do not ask myself these questions now because I am getting older and nearer death. Each day bonus when you are over the hill and the world and the universe is there to be marveled at and enjoyed and not thought about too deeply.
All energy put into solving the "question" would be put to better use in addressing the problems of our own planet. This will not happen because man will always be dreamer.

Zog


Nice one Zog Surprised


Indeed but Zog´s post-formating is likeley to cause pain in my eyes. Hard to read. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 02:39    Post subject:  

Try 800x600 or a new pair of glasses,

If you want to see the light just look.

night night Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 03:29    Post subject:  

I think the main point is that the big bang is just a theory, the other theory which carries far more weight scientificaly is this, and i quote from the book of HAWKWIND "I am the centre of the universe, and the winds of time are blowing through me, I am the creator of the universe and all that is is meant to be" , now please try and dis-prove this theory. actually there are no "laws of Physics" as such, its all just guidelines,even Darwin's theory of evolution is just that.
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